Virtue the translation of αρετη
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The famous "doubling the square" geometry lesson in Plato's Meno serves as a practical demonstration of Socrates' theory of anamnesis—the belief that all knowledge is innate to the soul and merely "recollected" rather than learned from scratch.
Socrates uses the diagonal to break Meno's "Paradox of Inquiry" and explain virtue in two key ways:
- Overcoming the paradox: Meno argues that you can't search for what you don't know, because you wouldn't recognize the answer. Socrates proves otherwise by questioning an uneducated slave boy. By showing the boy the diagonal of a square, Socrates helps him intuitively deduce that it is the exact base needed to construct a square double the area of the original. The boy didn't need to be taught; he just needed his memory stirred.
- The nature of virtue: Socrates uses the slave's spontaneous grasp of geometry to argue that virtue, like geometry, must be a form of knowledge. If we are born with objective truths in our souls, we must also possess the innate knowledge of what is good, just, and virtuous.
The diagonal functions as a metaphor for the mind's ability to intuitively "see" universal truths. It suggests that discovering virtue requires looking inward to recognize what the soul inherently already knows, rather than relying on external teachers.
the next question posed to the supposed all knowning
AI
is the following
does the idea of virtue or the word in greek αρετή have any direct relationship with the square root of two?
AI answer:
No, there is no direct etymological, linguistic, or historical relationship
between the Greek word for virtue (aretē / ἀρετή) and the square root of two
While a modern reader can use geometry to see that the diagonal of a square equals sqrt(2 )linking the two concepts in ancient Greece would be an anachronism for several key reasons
1. Etymological Disconnection
The word aretē translates broadly to "excellence" or "fulfillment of purpose". It stems from the same Proto-Indo-European root as ararisko (to fit together) and aristos (the best). It has absolutely no linguistic connection to mathematics, roots, or geometry
2. The Greeks Did Not See sqrt(2) As a Number
To Plato and his contemporaries, sqrt(2) did not exist as a number. The ancient Greeks only recognized whole numbers and rational ratios (fractions). They called the diagonal asymmetros (commensurable only in square) or arrhetos (unutterable/inexpressible). They viewed the diagonal strictly as a geometric length, not an algebraic value.
3. Plato Purposefully Avoids the Math
In the Meno, Socrates explicitly avoids calculating lengths or using formulas. He guides the slave boy entirely through visual, spatial geometry:
- The original square has an area of 4 units (2x2).
- The boy mistakenly guesses that doubling the side length (to 4x4) will double the area, but Socrates shows it actually quadruples it to 16.
- Socrates solves the problem by drawing lines across the diagonals, creating a new square with an area of 8.
The length of that diagonal is technically sqrt(8) or 2 sqrt(2), but Socrates never calculates this. He simply points to the physical line and calls it the "diagonal" (diametros).
4. The Structural Relationship
The relationship between aretē and the diagonal is purely analogous and structural within the dialogue:
- The Diagonal is the hidden, elegant truth that solves the geometry problem, which the boy discovers by looking inward.
- Virtue (Aretē) is the hidden, elegant truth about how to live, which human beings must discover by looking inward.
If you would like to explore this further, I can outline how Socrates shifts from geometry to define virtue later in the dialogue, or detail how the Pythagoreans reacted to the actual mathematical crisis of irrational lines.











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