TimaioΣ trash talks time
31~In order that the world might be perfect
the creator made not two worlds or
an infinite number of them
But there is only and
ever will be begotten and created
world
called heaven
Now that which is created is of necessity
corporeal,
and also
visible and Tangible
And nothing is solid
which has no solidity
and nothing is solid
without earth
Wherefore
god at the beginning
of creationmade the
body of the universe
to consist of
Fire
and
Earth
But two things
can not be rightly
put together without
a Third
There must be some bond of
union between
them
ΘΣΜ
And the fairest bond
is that which
makes the most
complete
fusion of
itself
and
the things
which
IT
combines
And
Proportion is best adapted to
effect such a union
For which in any
three
numbers
whether
cube
or
square
there is a mean
which is to the last term
what the first term is to it
32 and again
when the mean is to the first term
as the last term is to the mean
Then
The mean becoming first and last
and the last and first both
also becoming means
They will all
of
them
ΘΣΜ
of necessity
come to be
the same
and having
become
the same
with
one
another
will
be
All
one
If the universal frame had been
created
A
Surface
only
and having no depth
a single mean
would have sufficed
to bind together
itself and
the other terms
but now as the world
must be solid
and solid
bodies are always
compacted
not by one mean
but by two
God
Placed
Water
and
Air
in the
mean
Between
Fire and Earth
and made them have
the same proportion
so far as was
possible
As
Fire is to Air
so is
Air to Water
ans as
Air is to water
so is
Water to Earth
and thus
he bound
and put
together
a visible
and
Tangigble
Heaven
And for these reasons
and out of such
elements
which are
in number
four
the body of the world
was created
and it was
harmonized by
proportion
and
therefore
has the spirit
of friendship
and having been
reconciled to itself
it was indissoluble by the hand
of any other
than the framer
(insert - appropriate Jesus. nailed to cross
story here)
Now
The creation
took up all of
the four elements
For the Creator
compounded the world
out of all
the Fire
And all
The Air
And all
The water
and all
The Earth
leaving no part
of any of them
or any power of them
outside
His intention was
in the first place
that the animal
should be
as far as possible
a perfect whole and
of perfect parts
Secondly
That IT should BE
ONe
leaving no remnants out of
which another
such
world
might be created
and also
that it should be
free from
old age
and unaffected by
disease
Considering that if
heat and cold
and other powerful
forces
which unite bodies surround
and attack them from without
when they are unprepared
they decompose them
and by bringing
diseases and old age upon them
make them waste away
for this cause
and on these grounds
He
made
the world
one whole
Having
Every part Entire
and
being therefore
perfect
and no liable
to
old age
and disease
And he gave to the world
the figure which was
suitable and also
natural
Now
The animal which
was to
comprehend all animals
that figure
was suitable
which comprehends
within itself all other figures
Wherefore
He
made the world
in the form of a globe
round as from a lathe
having its extremes
in every direction equidistant from
the center
the most perfect and
the most
like
itself of
all figures
for
He
considered that
the like is infinitely fairer
than the unlike
This
He
finished off making
the surface smooth all around
for many reasons
in the first place
because the living being had no need of eyes
when there was
nothing
remaining outside
Him
to be seen
nor of ears when
there was nothing
to be heard
and there was
no surrounding
atmosphere to
be breathed
nor would there have been
any use of organs
by the help of which
he might receive
his food
or
get rid of
what he
had already digested
since there
was nothing
which went from him
or came into him
for there
was
nothing
beside
him
Of design
He
was created thus
his own waste
providing his own food
ald all that
He
did of suffered
taking place in and by
himself
For the Creator
Conceived that a being
which was self sufficient
would be far more excellent than
one which lacked anything
and
as
He
had no need to
take anything
or defend himself
against any one
The Creator
did not think it
necessary to bestow upon
him hands
Nor had
He
any need for feet
nor of the whole
apparatus of walking
but the movement
suited to his
spherical form
was assigned to him
being of all
the seven
the most appropriate
to Mind and
Intelligence
and
He
was made to move in the same manner
and on the same spot
within his own limits
revolving in
a Circle
All the other
Six motions
were taken away from him
and
He
was made not to partake
of thier deviations
And as this
circular movement
required no feet
the Universe
was created
without legs
and without
feet
Such was the whole plan
of the eternal god about
the god that was to be
to whom for this reason
He
gave A body
smooth
and
even
having a surface
in every direction equidistant
from the centre
A body
Entire and Perfect
composed of
Perfect bodies
And in the center
He
Put the soul
which
He
Diffused throughout
the body
making it also to be
the exterior environment of it
and
He
Made the universe a circle
moving in a circle
one
and
solitary
yer by reason of its
excellence able to
converse with
itself and
needing no
other friendship or
acquaintance
Having these
purposes in view
he
createdthe world
a blessed god
Now God did not make the soul
after the body
although we are speaking of them
in this order
for having brought them together
he
would never
have allowed
that the elder should be
ruled by the younger
but this is a random manner of speaking
which we have
because somehow we ourselves
too are very much under the
denomination of chance.
Whereas
He
Made the soul in origin
and excellence prior to
and older than
the body
to be
the ruler
and the mistress
of whom the body
was to be the subject
And
He
Made
her
out of
the following
elements
and on this wise
Out of the indivisible and unchangeable
and also out of that
which is divisible and
has to do with material bodies
He
compounded
A
Third kind of Essence
Partaking of the nature of
The Same
and of
The Other
and this compound
He
Placed
accordingly
in the mean between
the indivisible
and the divisible and material
He
Took the three elements of
the Same
The Other
and
The Essence
and
he
mingled them
into one form
compressing by force
the reluctant and
unsociable
nature of
the other
into
The same
When
He
Had mingled them with
the essence and
out of three
made one
He
Again divided this
whole into as many portions
as wes fitting each
portion being a compound
of
The Same
The Other
and
The essence
And
He
Proceeded to divide
after this manner:
How then are we
to deal with this point, and what is the question that we should
properly raise concerning it? In the first place, what we now have
named water, by condensation, as we suppose, we see turning
to stones and earth; and by rarefying and expanding this same
element becomes wind and air; and air when inflamed becomes
fire: and conversely fire contracted and quenched returns again
to the form of air; also air concentrating and condensing
becomes cloud and mist; and from these yet further compressed comes flowing water; and from water earth and stones
once more: and so, it appears, they hand on one to another
the cycle of generation. Thus then since these several bodies
never assume one constant form, which of them can we positively affirm to be really "This" and not another without being
shamed in our own eyes?
This is 2500 years before now and in the early parts of the
conversation it is stated that this information is on
the order of 9000 years and more of
age at the time of writing then.
The above statement is that
1. Fire/Air/Water/Earth
are what the universe is made of
2. Fire/air/water/earth
go from being one thing to being the other
in a two way transaction that is in
constant motion and is
described as the motion
revealing the soul of the
same
as the constantly changing
Other
the sense able
other
And that anyone alive
as this was written would
be embarrassed
to be
heard
making such
a
Statement
of
Nonsense
Fire is to be called Such Like
Water is to be called Such
They constantly move
They are constantly visible
visible means in motion
visible is motion
motion is change
change is constant for
all ideas of other
always using
The Same
as
The Generator
That
and
This
Are words used only to refer to
states
of
becoming
as
coming
and
going
a
two way
transaction
identifiable by
observation of
the same moving from
one form to
another form
identifiable
by
TRIANGLES
Gold is never stationary
never a this or
a that
Always a such
always an idea
always in motion
with
notable
Nodes
organizing
the orgainzers
the same way
every in
stance
until the
next
stance
comes along
the coming along way
For the present
We must conceive
Three kinds ::.
First
That which comes to be as IT
Second
That wherein IT Comes to be
Third
That from which the becoming of IT
is Copied
as IT
is Created/Generated
‘This
τετρακτὺς
is double/Triple
proceeding along
the Left branch from
1 to 8
in the other from 1 to 27
thus:
1
2 3
4 9
8 27
It will be observed that
the sum of the
first six numbers,
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 8 + 9 equals
the last
27
This
τετρακτὺς
is significant
of many things
to the Pythagoreans :
of these it will suffice to mention
one,
which Plato may have had in view
in selecting these numbers:
then in the
διπλάσια διαστήματα
ΘΣ
double
in~ter~vals
1 - denotes
the point
2 - stands for the straight line
4 - for
the rectilinear plane area
8 - for the rectilinear
solid volume
In the
τριπλάσια διαστήματα
ΘΣ
triple
intervals
3 ~ is ΘΣ curved line
9 ~~ ΘΣ curvilinear superficies area
27 ~~~ ΘΣ curvilinear solid volume
These
numbers also,
as we presently see,
form
the basis of a musical scale.
Composed of The Harmonic Scale
Modulated at the Geometric
Mean Rate
The harmonical mean
is such that :
it exceeds the lesser extreme
and is exceeded by the greater extreme
in the
same fraction
of each extreme respectively :
if X and y be the extremes
and
m the mean
for any
N
in between
x + x/n =
y - y/n =
m
The arithmetical mean
exceeds the lesser extreme
by
the same number
whereby it is exceeded
by the greater extreme
x+n=
y-n=
m
Thus between 6 and 12
we have
8
as the
harmonical mean,
9
as the arithmetical
Now
inserting these means
in the two series
above
we get
1 3/ 2 2 3 9/ 2 6 27/ 2 18 27
3 / 3 4 / 3 6 / 3 8 / 3 9 / 3 12 / 3 16 / 3 18 / 3 24 / 3
2 / 2 3/ 2 4 / 2 6 / 2 9/ 2 12 / 2 27 / 2 36 / 2 54 / 2
Now
taking
the
διπλάσια διαστήματα
Double intervals
with
their harmonic
and arithmetic means
and filling
up the intervals
as Plato directs
we
shall
have :
After that
he filled up
the interval
between the powers of two
and of three
by severing
yet more
from the original mass
and placing it
between them
in
such a manner
that
within each interval
were two means:
the
first exceeding
one extreme
in the same
proportion
as it was
exceeded by
the other extreme
the second
exceeding
the one extreme
by the same
number
it
was exceeded by
the other extreme
by
these links
there were formed
in the original intervals
new
intervals of 3 and 4 and 8,
he went on to fill up all the intervals
of 4
with that of 8,
leaving in each a fraction over
and the
terms of the interval
forming this fraction are
in the numerical
proportion of
256
to
243
Up to Now
the mixture,
whence divided
into these portions,
was all used up
Next he cleft the
structure
so formed lengthwise
into two halves,
and laying
the
two
so as to meet
in the centre
in the shape
of the letter X
he
bent them into a circle
and
joined them,
causing them to meet
themselves
and
each other
at a point opposite
to that of their
original contact :
and he
comprehended them
in
the motion that
revolves uniformly
on
the same axis
and
one of the circles
he
made exterior
and
one interior
The exterior motion
he named
the motion of
the Same,
the interior
"that" of
the Other.
And
the circle of
the Same
he made revolve
to the right
by way of
the side
that of
the Other
to the left
by way of
the diagonal
And he gave
the supremacy
to
the motion
of
the same and
uniform,
for he left that single and undivided
the inner
circle
he cleft into seven
unequal circles
in the proportion of the
double and triple intervals
severally,
each being three in number;
and he appointed that the circles
should move in opposite
directions,
three at the same speed,
the other four differing
in speed
from the three
and among themselves,
yet
moving
in
a
due ratio
something akin to
243/256
aka
3/2
or
256/243
2/3
IX.
Now
after
"that"
the framing
of "the soul"
was finished
to
the mind of
him
that
framed
her
next
he
fashioned
within her
all
"that"
is bodily
and he drew
them
together
and fitted
them
middle to middle.
And from the midst
even unto the ends
of heaven
s~~he ~~~
was woven in everywhere
and encompassed ~it~
around
from without,
and having
her
movement
in
herself
she
began
a divine beginning
of endless and reasonable
life for
ever and evermore.
Now
the body
of
the universe
has been
created
visible
AND
she is invisible
and she,
even soul
has part
in reason
and
in harmony
And where~as
she is
made
by the
best
of all
where unto
belong
reason
and
eternal being,
so she
" is "
the best of all
that "is" brought into being.
Therefore :
since she
" is "
formed
of
the nature of
Same and of
Other and of
Being,
" of "
these
three portions
blended,
in due proportion
divided
and bound
together,
and turns about
and returns into
herself,
whenever she
touches
aught that has
manifold existence
or
aught that has
undivided,
she is stirred through
all her substance,
and she
tells
"that"
where with the thing
is same and
'that'
wherefrom
it is
different,
and
in what relation
or place
or manner
or time
it comes to pass
both in the region of
the changing and
in the
region of
the changeless
that each thing affects
another and
is affected..:
This word of
he~rs
is true
alike, whether it deal with
Same or with Other,
without voice or sound in the Self-moved
arising ;
and when she is busied with the sensible,
and the circle
of the Other,
being true,
announces it throughout all the soul,
then are formed sure opinions
and true beliefs ;
and when she is
busy with the rational,
and the circle of the Same declares
it,
running smoothly,
then reason and knowledge
cannot but be
made perfect.
And in
whatsoever existing thing
these two
are found,
if a man affirm
" it "
is
aught but
soul
what he says will
be
anything rather than
the truth.
X.
And
when the father
who begat
it
perceived the created
image
of the eternal gods,
that it had motion and life,
he rejoiced and was well pleased;
and he bethought him
to make
it
yet more nearly like
it ~~~Ss
pattern
Now
whereas
"that "
is a living
being
eternally existent,
even so
he essayed
to make
this
All the
like
to
the best of his power.
Now
so it was
" that "
ΘΣ nature of ΘΣ ideal
was eternal.
But to bestow "this" attribute
altogether
upon a created thing was impossible;
so he
bethought him
to
make a moving image
of eternity,
and while he
was ordering
the universe
he made of eternity
" that "
abides in unity
an eternal
image
moving according to number,
even that which we have
named time.
ΘΣ
circle
of
360
degrees
divided
in
two
and
into
3600 X360 ideas of
1296000
aka
3 X 432000
The volume of the form
formed from ΘΣ radius
of
ΘΣ sun
38 B TIMAIOS
For whereas
days and nights
and months and
years
were not
before
the universe
was created,
he
then devised
the generation
of them
along with
the fashioning
of
the universe
Now
all
"these"
are portions
of
time
and
was
and
shall be
are
forms
of time
" that "
have come to
be
although we
wrongly
ascribe
'them'
unawares
to the eternal essence.
For we say :
that "it" was
and
IT 'is'
and
IT 'shall be'
but
in verity
"IS"
alone belongs to
"IT"
and
"was and shall be"
it = is
meet
should be
applied only
to
"Becoming"
which moves
in time
for these are
"motions"
But
"that"
which is ever changeless
without motion
must not
"become"
elder or younger
in time,
neither must
' it '
have become so
in the
past
nor
Can
' it '
be so in the future
nor has
"it"
to do with any attributes
"that"
Becoming attached
to
ΘΣ ~~~ moving objects of sense
'these' have
come into being
as
forms
of time,
which is
the image of
eternity
and
revolves
according to number.
Moreover we say
that the become IS the become,
and the becoming IS the becoming,
and that which shall become IS that which shall become,
and not-being: IS not-being.
In all this we speak
incorrectly.
But concerning these things
the present were perchance
not the
right season to inquire particularly.
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_____________
+
In the first place, what we now have
named water,
by condensation,
as we suppose,
we see turning
to stones and
e~art~H
and by rarefying and expanding
this same
element
becomes wind and air
and air when inflamed
becomes
fire:
and conversely fire contracted and quenched
returns again
to the form of air
also air concentrating and condensing
becomes cloud and mist
and from these yet further compressed
comes flowing water
and from water
earth and
stones
once more:
and so,
it appears
they hand on one to another
the cycle of gen~er~at~ion
Thus then
since
these several bodies
never assume
one constant form
which of them
can we
positively affirm
to be
really
" this "
and not
' another '
without being
shamed
in our own eyes?
20:19
If the kingdom of god is the ΣΞi+ from the recycle bin in terms of protons and electrons or positive and negative charges :..
defined as light is defined when an electron drops from one state of excitation to a lower state emitting a photon aka [It]
a container of energetic motion that will continue to transfer the motion that represents the dark idea of the universal (}IT{)
recycle bin containing the universe of bits to be re cycled in itself as itself until it runs into the next
puffy organization of positive charges waiting to pass along the light in meaning full message form...:
Where Positive charges are the Protons and are responsible for the Organization of water molecules in a world
made of H2O where :
O is eight sets of H or four sets of He where :
He then is identified as a multiple of its
and it's own self the virgin idea of virgin birth...:..
identifying He as the central idea and the centered ideal
organizing protons and electrons via magnetic proton is at ion is at ion aka ionization
organizing and organ eyes ΣΔ in that old black magic spherical and circular idea of the arcs that
indicate hot motion, yes, not the ocean, the fluid version of He hiding in H and her hair no...:.
:. Light as in light in the sky that the Greeks who you know so well called Zeus the ΣΘN οφ Ζ
and all around these sets of two and eight are found groups of three and thus Twelve apostolic apostrophes separating the whole notes
giving you ROYGBIV Infra-- : Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Indigo Violet + Ultra violet Octet contained by and containing the roots of
All things in the universe expressed as an octet of octets of ideas containing and contained by Groups of three and two as
the notes known as the musical scale CDbDEbEFGbGAbABbB defined by
C aka~~ all powers of 2 aka~~
4
8
16
32
64
128
256 Middle C ~==~ 2^7. a number that you are familiar eyes ed with Δaily
512
1024
2048
Crossed with the B notes noted at the Powers of 3 aka 9 27 81 243 729 2187 6561
C^2 = E / M
E = C^2 Μ
M = E / C^2
Ψ Σ Μ
Σ Ψ. Μ
Μ Σ Ψ
Should tell any reader of Meno or the Timaeus the rest of the story where you will find the ratio of 243 and 256 filling in
all the gaps left by the larger nodes identified as the electromagnetic spectrum containing the values for all sound
all color all motion all ideas of size all ideas of real and imaginary relationships and ships too.
16 aka 2^4 multiplied by
27 aka 3^3 is equal to
432 the radius of the sun
multiplied by itself is equal to
186624 the speed of light
The diameter circled by Earth around the Sun
The determiner of all intervals found either on the left or the right above or below and at all angles relative to 432 the
perfection of the combination of two and three that makes you you and me me sea see. aka salt water in plasmic suspension formed
and forming the 2133 pounds per square foot of pressure known as the at most sphere of influence where you and your surroundings
are influenced by the Air and the things which Air forms while the things which Air forms are forming air using a little autoprotolysis
in the most left vs right in group vs out group system of seeming auto motion often confused with auto mate ion the ion to keep
the gene pool filled with new experiments by the motion required for mating..:..
So and sew an so on goes the story where it then becomes apparent that the sheep are the protons creating clouds
of puffy protonated positively charged collections of ions bearing the organiZed weight of the world in the form of water aka H2O
until some wild
goat rams the pump into autoprotolytic action and suddenly the H2O is returned to below where some where else its cousin is being
lifted back into the air in the continuous water cycle that runs the earths positive negative arrangement of human beans and H2O...:..
Ψaire Water Earth
Water Ψaire Earth
Earth Water Ψaire
All mitigated by the power of Air the absence of mass always curling in on itself always moving things around
always the Ba in the song of the spheres sung by the universal choir tuned to the A above middle B at 432 and 243
while middle C sits where 256 is said to be found and again all around as all shadows of He do.
As a student of the Original manuscripts of the manuscript known as The Timaeus you are uniquely positioned to
do a deeper comparison of what you have read and are discussing here and what is written and readable by us
in The Timaeus marked at section/s 30~60 and beyond where the same three ideas are mixed in the air for pages
discussing the idea of motion and the four things, which they appeared to agree at the writing were, the first four
possible things which could be sensed by the known forms of sensing which they were taught by the egyptians
who were narrating this section of the Timaeus from a distance controlled, in the cerebrospinal H2O based compound
that permeates the human body from just under the level of the skin a known conductor of electric charge as in
defibrillator type controlled lightning strikes and the like where autoprotolysis generated protonated water H3O+
forms the Fascia a proton rich protein capacitor layer of porus membrane composed of threads of
triply wound helix like conducting chains of loose electron organizing atoms namely H2O which converts most
readily at 98.6 degrees F at the surface of the earth within 33 feet of either side of sea causing H2O to generate
itself into H3O+ and OH- at a regular rate which creates a constant sea of apparent protons and apparent electrons
which are in constant motion as the air around the body is filled with the same idea of H2O in a less dense state
and at variable rates of density as the level the constantly moving atmosphere adheres to the similarly constant
motion of the water everywhere there is water to be experienced in a liquid state on and around the sphere
defined by the point at the center of the earth approximately 4000 miles from the constantly moving surface
creating the 24000 mile round ball that rotates exactly 1000 miles per hour over the average 24 hour period
which happens to be all the time no matter when you start and end counting.
This motion is constantly being detected in moved sensors of the outer shell of all life: A photon absorbing
membrane which stops light by absorbing the energy of photons and taking the same electron volts and
redistributing the energy available by virtue of the deposit to work as free electrons that charge the battery
in the process of being converted by the same process that the photon is processed by in liquid form where
Acids aka electron rich oxidizing agents made mostly of H3O+ seek to remove free electrons from any material
not holding on to its self at the moment in the at most sphere of influence and free electrons as OH- are running
around ready to turn combinations of this into conglomerates of that by re organizing at the next level of
geometric organization available either up or down the scale which is defined as the music of the spheres
or the nested geometric shapes from the point to the dodecahedron. An apostolic form if ever there was one ..:.
of the inner core from the inner core core components organizing the conduction of the electric electric components
using the only arithmetic anyone knows and the only formula in mathematics that defines all surfaces and volumes
by form when filled in from the obvious list of possibilities.
All of this is clearly laid out over about 30 pages of Oxford printed text book sized text. Not alot for a reader with the
kind of reading chops you, my friend, have. Not to mention the kind of pointed question forming and detailed note taking
that your perspective mirror appears to have in the form of none other than Megan the mystery solving solvent a water
based composition generated from the best that water is capable of producing in living color through variously framed
lenses only remotely attached to the electron processing protolyser herself.
Serious question from the cheap seats where from up here where the air is clearer and always cooler than 33 feet below
where water is more liquid and always absolved along the diagonal by the angle between the surface and the molecule in question.
the twelfth root of two which you will find separating the apostles into notes as nodes define the martix that is formed by
chiral crossing of the powers of 3 across the columns with the powers of two down the rows providing all the possible answers
to any number based question of reality.
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